learning to be a programmer for the Russian in Ukraine


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in fact, there are a few issues:

— is it possible to enter the UNIVERSITY of Ukraine with Russian citizenship?
— is it possible to live in Ukraine for a long period of time without obtaining citizenship?
— as a result to obtain Ukrainian citizenship, if it is necessary?
— is it possible to have both citizenship (Russian and Ukrainian) at the same time?

as on habré many of our Ukrainian brothers, I hope to get answers to these questions :)

upd: forgot the most important thing — as with the level of education as programmer? for example in University they. Shevchenko.
In Siberia old and dear (formerly) UNIVERSITY Novosibirsk state technical University (NETI) — learn to be a programmer "fuck off." because I'm out of it and left. In Ukraine with civilization like things are better, so I wonder how well I taught you?
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As I have written repeatedly, in order to become a good specialist necessary.
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1)Want to be.
2)Surround yourself with good professionals.
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If the UNIVERSITY where you will do will be a lot of good specialists who will help you. Then you will become a good specialist.
If they're not there, admission to the University should be considered an error. (ERROR).
Of course you can learn, and books, and sources ( studying at the same University). But it is more a thorny path and a longer path. But then you razgryzt "granite of science" as a knife cutting butter.
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And yet a University education gives a good friends and acquaintances, and this is a significant factor for a career. Very meaningful.
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IMHO. Correct to raise the question so: "How to create an environment in which I will effectively learn".
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A good alternative would be the University, the job will be a good guru. Which will you for free (or almost for free) to teach sacramental knowledge which is not taught in the University. Such knowledge on the order of give You advantage over others, especially in the particular field in which the guru.
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How cool I wrote?
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Q: can I enter the UNIVERSITY of Ukraine with Russian citizenship?
A: You Can. As already mentioned above, it is possible even on a budget. I do not know now, but before the cost of centralnogo training was quite low. For example, now in hture academic year is about 900$.
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Q: is it possible to live in Ukraine for a long period of time without obtaining citizenship?
A: anything up to three months on the migration card or registration. Registration can be obtain if there is a legal reason. For the student this learning in the public University (on a commercial this rule does not apply) — on the basis of this he do a temporary registration. Usually people without registration to do so: after the validity of the migration card travelling outside of Ukraine and immediately come back.
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Q: as a result to obtain Ukrainian citizenship, if it is necessary?
A: it used to be: you have to live legally in Ukraine for 5 years, and student registration were not considered. Most likely there are some simplified procedures for obtaining citizenship.
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Q: can I have both citizenship (Russian and Ukrainian) at the same time?
A: Officially it is impossible. To obtain Ukrainian citizenship you must give up Russian. It is certainly possible to have two passports (Russian and Ukrainian, but it will be considered a violation of the Ukrainian legislation).
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I have University also drew attention to the language of instruction. In six months you can learn to understand the Ukrainian language (by the way I have to learn), but the student may have to answer it. In addition, there are some difficulties in perception of mathematical and physical terms.
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I myself finished hture, but I know that good programmers work from graduates hture/KHNURE, KSU/henna HAI/NAU "Khai", Kharkov Polytechnical Institute/NTU "KHPI".
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>> you can not learn to be a good modern programmer?
is it really taught? technology goes at such a pace that, even for a couple of track was hard...
"Fundamental" knowledge give it to you anyway... and how you will learn them depends on you... nobody relies on the universities. In addition many universities have centers Cisco\\Intel\\etc... here's where you can see current trends and to know which direction to self-development...
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University gives you the crust and if you're lucky — experience studies\\communication\\work...
Still there are individual program... when a specific enterprise is your plan for teaching a particular student... but here the student must show yourself...
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in General, the essence of the one is not the place paints the person, and the person place...
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to learn — no problem. there is an intergovernmental program that allows you to learn even on a budget... but if it is about Universities... if you want to get the knowledge that adequate (modern) — there is no better option than the "Computer Academy "STEP" — but it costs money, though it's worth it (sorry for taftologiyu).
In Ukraine the Russians as well as Ukrainians in Russia can be 3 months without problems... for students, like, all the time learning... although we're not stopped on the streets and to present a passport do not require together with a registration...
for citizenship requirements, as a whole, same — or 5 years to live on site or spetsusloviya — know rossiiskoe is given by a simplified program if finish high school in Russia, I suspect that we should have a similar rule (in the end, with the Russian lapped)...
both gradanstvo be possible, but only in Russia — we have only one supported, but if not distributed, you can leave both...
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I studied in NTU "Kiev Polytechnic Institute" bachelor degree — Computer Sciences and now studying in KNU. T. G. Shevchenko, specialty "Mathematics".
Would vouch for the fact that the quality of education is high in both Universities as it can be high in the modern Ukrainian educational institutions. If you want to learn — you will learn and the money for it will not ask (perhaps even not take it if they offer, I myself didn't believe it until I realized that is). The only question of relevance of the information that you provide. That's why I changed my initial choice, selecting a broader and more fundamental specilization.
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My friend also went from NSTU after the first year, is now studying in Moscow, in a private University. In her stories, the situation is not different.
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In Ukraine you can learn. You can even get a good education. The main thing to choose the right UNIVERSITY and the right profession.
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>>>is it possible to have both citizenship (Russian and Ukrainian) at the same time?
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The Constitution permits (but only to deputies she did not write).
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Passed at the time through it.
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> is it possible to enter the UNIVERSITY of Ukraine with Russian citizenship
It is possible, but likely for a fee.
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> as a result to obtain Ukrainian citizenship, if it is needed
At the time, received a lifetime local resident permit which allows you nowhere to be celebrated, to work legally and to cross the border. Prior to this show a couple of times a year in the Dean of foreign students for a stamp.
Dual citizenship there.
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To learn it is really only "ot***sterile" is not necessary, well, technical College to borrow from a number of KPI, KHPI, DPI.
The largest national-specific hemorrhoids — diploma in Ukrainian.
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