New androids from HTC release date?

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Comrades, AGUGLIA all, I can't find at least the approximate date of the emergence of a new Desire on the shelves (I'm on HD & Z). The price is approximate found is about 26-27, and the release date can't find. Please help.
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Clove in writingthat they expect Z on October 29.
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htc Russia has tweeter and Facebook.
they write that the wait for the release of new products should be no earlier than November 15, although earlier in the week wrote that it can be to buy already first. Waiting for :(
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In Russia HD promise the 15th, the Z — 29th
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